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Evening Robert,

Like our individual bodies, until now I had always thought that each of us
has a separate individual soul. Rereading your message to me this morning
it just hit me that my/our souls are the same!!! The source of that soul
is God, who is all soul!!! Excuse me while I congtemplate: "My current,
past and future soul is the Original soul of God! So that's how we are
all one? Why didn't you tell me that right from the beginning God, Gloria,
Kirt, Robert.........? I know, but I had to put the pieces of this puzzle
together. Sure you gave me a picture to hold in mind, all the pieces, but
I didn't see the whole picture until now! Heck, I am not only pieces of
this puzzle, nor just the picture itself before being cut up, but I am even
the stuff it's made from and the very concept of puzzle itself! Why then
can't I join up with the rest of myself? I could just end my life here and
now! ... "Joe, you may see the light, but can't be the light until all
souls have become the one. No matter how good you might be at creating
this puzzle of life, the picture you are now, is not complete until all
souls are one. So my child, go forth and join the rest of the party, and
shine forth for all to see and enjoy!"

LPL,
Joe

so?

Hey Joe;

How's it going?
I don't want to befuddle you with complicated 'concepts,' but have you
ever encountered one called "levels?" Most Surely, it is most likely a
metaphysical idea. It has to do with categories. I would say it is
quite complex and perhaps something your analytic mind might like to try
to understand.
To explain further and maybe, just perhaps (?) lead you into a direction
you might feel is something you want to go, I would say Soul is made of
mind and body. It is composed, you could say, of that.
The two are one. Mind and body equals soul. Like this?
These are a couple of ideas I thought you might find interesting.
Let me know, OK?

John

so?

You've got it Joe, except for one point. You already
are reconnecting up with your larger self. You just
don't see it. If you ended your life right now, in
order to reconnect, you might actually be blocking the
connection you want to achieve. All traditions warn
against just such an action because of the negative
places that the soul would find itself in. The goal is
to find God and remember the Divine Love that we are
right here, right now, in this body. You are not aware
of just how much you have already reconnected with
your higher self in this life.

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of TM, once lamented
that far too many people had lost their way by seeking
to get out of this life by withdrawing from life as
completely as they could. The goal of life is to
spiritualize it, love it, not to condemn it and
retreat from it.

It has also been said that there are many enlightened
souls who have come back now in severly disabled
bodies, mentally disabled as well as other types of
disabilities, in order to show others that happiness
comes from within and doesn't require a healthy body
or a sharp mind.

Love yourself as much as you can. Keep pushing that
love deeper into your life. Pink Light. The messages
of heavenletters. Forgive yourself for any limits that
you think that you have. You don't have to wait until
all souls find Oneness. You already are enlightened.
Your eyes are just closed.

Dance the Pink Dance,
Robert

so?

Hello John,

Things are going well thanks, how 'bout with you? To honor Gloria and
other Heavenletters members, I'd like to take this discussion off of this
site. Please email me privately with details.

LPL,
Joe

At 02:21 AM 2/7/2006, you wrote:

Quote:

Hey Joe;

How's it going?
I don't want to befuddle you with complicated 'concepts,' but have you
ever encountered one called "levels?" Most Surely, it is most likely a
metaphysical idea. It has to do with categories. I would say it is
quite complex and perhaps something your analytic mind might like to try
to understand.
To explain further and maybe, just perhaps (?) lead you into a direction
you might feel is something you want to go, I would say Soul is made of
mind and body. It is composed, you could say, of that.
The two are one. Mind and body equals soul. Like this?
These are a couple of ideas I thought you might find interesting.
Let me know, OK?

John

On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 22:43:32 -0600 Joe Tolve
<Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org> writes:
>
> Evening Robert,
>
> Like our individual bodies, until now I had always thought that each
> of us
> has a separate individual soul. Rereading your message to me this
> morning
> it just hit me that my/our souls are the same!!! The source of that
> soul
> is God, who is all soul!!! Excuse me while I congtemplate: "My
> current,
> past and future soul is the Original soul of God! So that's how we
> are
> all one? Why didn't you tell me that right from the beginning God,
> Gloria,
> Kirt, Robert.........? I know, but I had to put the pieces of this
> puzzle
> together. Sure you gave me a picture to hold in mind, all the
> pieces, but
> I didn't see the whole picture until now! Heck, I am not only
> pieces of
> this puzzle, nor just the picture itself before being cut up, but I
> am even
> the stuff it's made from and the very concept of puzzle itself! Why
> then
> can't I join up with the rest of myself? I could just end my life
> here and
> now! ... "Joe, you may see the light, but can't be the light until
> all
> souls have become the one. No matter how good you might be at
> creating
> this puzzle of life, the picture you are now, is not complete until
> all
> souls are one. So my child, go forth and join the rest of the
> party, and
> shine forth for all to see and enjoy!"
>
> LPL,
> Joe
>
> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:58:36 -0600
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> Subject: [HeavenLetters Board Books] RE: A REMARKABLE BOOK ON
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> Robert:
>
> That is exactly, precisely the way I understand it.
>
> John
>
>
> On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:08:38 -0600 robert fitzgerald
> <Books [at] heavenletters [dot] org> writes:
> >
> > Hi Paula,
> >
> > The question you ask is one that has been asked by
> > many thousands, millions, of people from all over the
> > world. There are different answers fro different
> > sources but they all seem to come from the same place.
> > My own understanding, bringing all these different
> > reasons into account, is this. This world was
> > originally created by God, and by all of us when we
> > were still God the One, to be a playground of joy and
> > fun. The Garden of Eden is translated as Garden of
> > Pleasures. When we separated ourselves out from the
> > unity of God, when He/She separated parts of Herself
> > out to fill this playground, the intensity physical of
> > sensations overwhelmed us. We forgot who we were. We
> > became merely human rather than divine human. We
> > separated ourselves from God with a fig leaf.
> >
> > When this happened the garden became a life of
> > hardship, a life of competing states such as pleasure
> > and pain. Life became hard. We were led out of the
> > garden and began a process of learning about physical
> > life. We became fearful, and in that process we lost
> > our heritage. Our perception of who we are changed. We
> > began to judge ourselves and others harshly. In order
> > to regain our divine nature we have been learning
> > compassion and love in all sorts of conditions ever
> > since.
> >
> > Now according to all indications it is time to return
> > to the Garden of Pleasure. We are in the process of
> > remembering who we are, and in this process we no
> > longer need to ask why. We just need to open our
> > hearts to Love. Once we become the Love that we are
> > then life will take on a whole new meaning, one of
> > pleasure and the wild expression of Love playing with
> > its own self.
> >
> > Dance the Dance of Love,
> > Robert
> >
> > --- Joe Tolve <Books [at] heavenletters [dot] org> wrote:
> >
> > > Paula my Child,
> > >
> > > "You are soul, you are ego, can you locate either,
> > > might they be the same? I love to be recognized and
> > > stroked, don't you? You are God who wrote this
> > > message,Joe is God who is replying, and both of you
> > > and I, love to be stroked and loved."
> > >
> > > LPL,
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > At 02:02 AM 2/4/2006, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > All these recent events and people's stories made
> > > this question arise in my heart:
> > > >
> > > > Dear God,
> > > > if we - as you say and as I know - are only your
> > > perfect Love, then what are all these events and
> > > trials in our life for? Why do we need to improve
> > > ourselves and grow and learn from life? What are we
> > > improving: our ego, our little self? Or are we
> > > taking off layers of veil to get to our true self.
> > > > With gratitude and love,
> > > > Paula
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Safe in My arms you're only dreaming.
> > > > Love is the Answer.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Hello Robert,
I am the total picture before cutting up into pieces. If only one tiny
piece is missing however, I am not the completed puzzle. There is hatred,
so I can't be complete. The ocean of God isn't if there is one drop
separate. We've come a long way, but just think how far we've got yet to
go! That's why we've got to be good to our planet. Being able to survive
gives more time for completion. This planet is a survivor, there will be
other chances. Our Universal Spirit, God, is eternal, and will once again
exist here on Earth so that we might ALL dance joyously to the
music. First we must try to get 101 monkies using the pink light so that
we might have the desired effect. All we need do is to get enough of us
using the pink light, and all obsticles will be overcome.

LPL,
Joe

At 06:50 AM 2/7/2006, you wrote:

Quote:

You've got it Joe, except for one point. You already
are reconnecting up with your larger self. You just
don't see it. If you ended your life right now, in
order to reconnect, you might actually be blocking the
connection you want to achieve. All traditions warn
against just such an action because of the negative
places that the soul would find itself in. The goal is
to find God and remember the Divine Love that we are
right here, right now, in this body. You are not aware
of just how much you have already reconnected with
your higher self in this life.

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of TM, once lamented
that far too many people had lost their way by seeking
to get out of this life by withdrawing from life as
completely as they could. The goal of life is to
spiritualize it, love it, not to condemn it and
retreat from it.

It has also been said that there are many enlightened
souls who have come back now in severly disabled
bodies, mentally disabled as well as other types of
disabilities, in order to show others that happiness
comes from within and doesn't require a healthy body
or a sharp mind.

Love yourself as much as you can. Keep pushing that
love deeper into your life. Pink Light. The messages
of heavenletters. Forgive yourself for any limits that
you think that you have. You don't have to wait until
all souls find Oneness. You already are enlightened.
Your eyes are just closed.

Dance the Pink Dance,
Robert

--- Joe Tolve <Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org>
wrote:

>
> Evening Robert,
>
> Like our individual bodies, until now I had always
> thought that each of us
> has a separate individual soul. Rereading your
> message to me this morning
> it just hit me that my/our souls are the same!!!
> The source of that soul
> is God, who is all soul!!! Excuse me while I
> congtemplate: "My current,
> past and future soul is the Original soul of God!
> So that's how we are
> all one? Why didn't you tell me that right from the
> beginning God, Gloria,
> Kirt, Robert.........? I know, but I had to put the
> pieces of this puzzle
> together. Sure you gave me a picture to hold in
> mind, all the pieces, but
> I didn't see the whole picture until now! Heck, I
> am not only pieces of
> this puzzle, nor just the picture itself before
> being cut up, but I am even
> the stuff it's made from and the very concept of
> puzzle itself! Why then
> can't I join up with the rest of myself? I could
> just end my life here and
> now! ... "Joe, you may see the light, but can't be
> the light until all
> souls have become the one. No matter how good you
> might be at creating
> this puzzle of life, the picture you are now, is
> not complete until all
> souls are one. So my child, go forth and join the
> rest of the party, and
> shine forth for all to see and enjoy!"
>
> LPL,
> Joe
>
> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:58:36 -0600
> From: john s riccio <Books [at] heavenletters [dot] org>
> Subject: [HeavenLetters Board Books] RE: A
> REMARKABLE BOOK ON FORGIVENESS
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> Robert:
>
> That is exactly, precisely the way I understand it.
>
> John
>
>
> On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:08:38 -0600 robert fitzgerald
> <Books [at] heavenletters [dot] org> writes:
> >
> > Hi Paula,
> >
> > The question you ask is one that has been asked
> by
> > many thousands, millions, of people from all over
> the
> > world. There are different answers fro different
> > sources but they all seem to come from the same
> place.
> > My own understanding, bringing all these
> different
> > reasons into account, is this. This world was
> > originally created by God, and by all of us when
> we
> > were still God the One, to be a playground of joy
> and
> > fun. The Garden of Eden is translated as Garden
> of
> > Pleasures. When we separated ourselves out from
> the
> > unity of God, when He/She separated parts of
> Herself
> > out to fill this playground, the intensity
> physical of
> > sensations overwhelmed us. We forgot who we were.
> We
> > became merely human rather than divine human. We
> > separated ourselves from God with a fig leaf.
> >
> > When this happened the garden became a life of
> > hardship, a life of competing states such as
> pleasure
> > and pain. Life became hard. We were led out of
> the
> > garden and began a process of learning about
> physical
> > life. We became fearful, and in that process we
> lost
> > our heritage. Our perception of who we are
> changed. We
> > began to judge ourselves and others harshly. In
> order
> > to regain our divine nature we have been learning
> > compassion and love in all sorts of conditions
> ever
> > since.
> >
> > Now according to all indications it is time to
> return
> > to the Garden of Pleasure. We are in the process
> of
> > remembering who we are, and in this process we no
> > longer need to ask why. We just need to open our
> > hearts to Love. Once we become the Love that we
> are
> > then life will take on a whole new meaning, one
> of
> > pleasure and the wild expression of Love playing
> with
> > its own self.
> >
> > Dance the Dance of Love,
> > Robert
> >
> > --- Joe Tolve <Books [at] heavenletters [dot] org> wrote:
> >
> > > Paula my Child,
> > >
> > > "You are soul, you are ego, can you locate
> either,
> > > might they be the same? I love to be
> recognized and
> > > stroked, don't you? You are God who wrote this
> > > message,Joe is God who is replying, and both of
> you
> > > and I, love to be stroked and loved."
> > >
> > > LPL,
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > At 02:02 AM 2/4/2006, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > All these recent events and people's stories
> made
> > > this question arise in my heart:
> > > >
> > > > Dear God,
> > > > if we - as you say and as I know - are only
> your
> > > perfect Love, then what are all these events
> and
> > > trials in our life for? Why do we need to
> improve
> > > ourselves and grow and learn from life? What
> are we
> > > improving: our ego, our little self? Or are we
> > > taking off layers of veil to get to our true
> self.
> > > > With gratitude and love,
> > > > Paula
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Safe in My arms you're only dreaming.
> > > > Love is the Answer.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Hi Joe,

A very logical conclusion, and I have thought this
myself at one time, but one that I am not sure is
accurate. According to all that I have read there is
never any real separation from God as All That Is,
Unity, and the apparent differences that we feel here
on earth. The image of the ocean and drops of water
don't get to the root of this dilemna tho. One master
gives an image that I do like. It goes like this.

The ocean is God. Deep within the ocean there arise
impulses for action that rise to the surface
manifesting into separate waves. Each wave is separate
from all other waves at the same time that all waves
are never separate from the ocean that supports them.
It is all ocean.

It is as if the total awareness of the ocean narrows
itself with each separate wave, without ever really
losing the total ocean awareness, in order to
experience the individuality of the wave. And there
are billions of separate waves in the ocean. It is
merely a trick of focus that God uses in order to
enjoy more completely his creation. God is the
universal focus and we are the individual focus.

Heavenletters tells us that Love is the ocean. Love
desires to play in a universe of love sending impulses
to the "surface" creating immense diversity, billions
of little waves of love all seeking to interact across
a wide variety of expression. The problem is that each
wave of love has forgotten that we are just waves of
the ocean of Love. We "think" that we are separate
from ocean. When one wave of love remembers that it is
an integral part of the ocean then that wave becomes
whole. This wholeness does not require that all other
waves, or that any other wave, remembers their own
wholeness. Once you remember your own ocean
completeness then you ARE whole right then and there.
Nothing else is required. You do not need to wait
until all other waves remember their oceanness. The
ocean is whole and always will be. And you now become
whole with that realization.

In this remembering love will continue to play through
you and you might then decide to do whatever you can
to get as many other waves to remember their own
oceanness. This is one form of the play of love. But
you now do this from your wholeness, and not as work
required so that you will one day become whole.

Wholly, Wholly, Wholly,
Robert

--- Joe Tolve <Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org>
wrote:

Quote:

Hello Robert,
I am the total picture before cutting up into
pieces. If only one tiny
piece is missing however, I am not the completed
puzzle. There is hatred,
so I can't be complete. The ocean of God isn't if
there is one drop
separate. We've come a long way, but just think how
far we've got yet to
go! That's why we've got to be good to our planet.
Being able to survive
gives more time for completion. This planet is a
survivor, there will be
other chances. Our Universal Spirit, God, is
eternal, and will once again
exist here on Earth so that we might ALL dance
joyously to the
music. First we must try to get 101 monkies using
the pink light so that
we might have the desired effect. All we need do is
to get enough of us
using the pink light, and all obsticles will be
overcome.

LPL,
Joe

At 06:50 AM 2/7/2006, you wrote:

>You've got it Joe, except for one point. You
already
>are reconnecting up with your larger self. You just
>don't see it. If you ended your life right now, in
>order to reconnect, you might actually be blocking
the
>connection you want to achieve. All traditions warn
>against just such an action because of the negative
>places that the soul would find itself in. The goal
is
>to find God and remember the Divine Love that we
are
>right here, right now, in this body. You are not
aware
>of just how much you have already reconnected with
>your higher self in this life.
>
>Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of TM, once lamented
>that far too many people had lost their way by
seeking
>to get out of this life by withdrawing from life as
>completely as they could. The goal of life is to
>spiritualize it, love it, not to condemn it and
>retreat from it.
>
>It has also been said that there are many
enlightened
>souls who have come back now in severly disabled
>bodies, mentally disabled as well as other types of
>disabilities, in order to show others that
happiness
>comes from within and doesn't require a healthy
body
>or a sharp mind.
>
>Love yourself as much as you can. Keep pushing that
>love deeper into your life. Pink Light. The
messages
>of heavenletters. Forgive yourself for any limits
that
>you think that you have. You don't have to wait
until
>all souls find Oneness. You already are
enlightened.
>Your eyes are just closed.
>
>Dance the Pink Dance,
>Robert
>
>--- Joe Tolve <Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org>
>wrote:
>
> >
> > Evening Robert,
> >
> > Like our individual bodies, until now I had
always
> > thought that each of us
> > has a separate individual soul. Rereading your
> > message to me this morning
> > it just hit me that my/our souls are the same!!!
> > The source of that soul
> > is God, who is all soul!!! Excuse me while I
> > congtemplate: "My current,
> > past and future soul is the Original soul of
God!
> > So that's how we are
> > all one? Why didn't you tell me that right from
the
> > beginning God, Gloria,
> > Kirt, Robert.........? I know, but I had to put
the
> > pieces of this puzzle
> > together. Sure you gave me a picture to hold in
> > mind, all the pieces, but
> > I didn't see the whole picture until now! Heck,
I
> > am not only pieces of
> > this puzzle, nor just the picture itself before
> > being cut up, but I am even
> > the stuff it's made from and the very concept of
> > puzzle itself! Why then
> > can't I join up with the rest of myself? I
could
> > just end my life here and
> > now! ... "Joe, you may see the light, but can't
be
> > the light until all
> > souls have become the one. No matter how good
you
> > might be at creating
> > this puzzle of life, the picture you are now,
is
> > not complete until all
> > souls are one. So my child, go forth and join
the
> > rest of the party, and
> > shine forth for all to see and enjoy!"
> >
> > LPL,
> > Joe
> >
> > Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:58:36 -0600
> > From: john s riccio <Books [at] heavenletters [dot] org>
> > Subject: [HeavenLetters Board Books] RE: A
> > REMARKABLE BOOK ON FORGIVENESS
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> >
> > Robert:
> >
> > That is exactly, precisely the way I understand
it.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:08:38 -0600 robert
fitzgerald
> > <Books [at] heavenletters [dot] org> writes:
> > >
> > > Hi Paula,
> > >
> > > The question you ask is one that has been
asked
> > by
> > > many thousands, millions, of people from all
over
> > the
> > > world. There are different answers fro
different
> > > sources but they all seem to come from the
same
> > place.
> > > My own understanding, bringing all these
> > different
> > > reasons into account, is this. This world was
> > > originally created by God, and by all of us
when
> > we
> > > were still God the One, to be a playground of
joy
> > and
> > > fun. The Garden of Eden is translated as
Garden
> > of
> > > Pleasures. When we separated ourselves out
from
> > the

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