Dear Jennine:

You are up early!
Or is it late?

I hope I didn't upset you.

What bothers me is when someone tells me I can do this and/or I can't do
that, ultimately legislating actions/decisions that I feel are within my
own province. It's my opinion that the individual should have the
authority to decide the issue of whether he/she must or will stay with
some particular person for the rest of his/her life, it's their own
choice; and that the state/religion morals/family and community ought to
support that decision if it brings no harm to anyone.

I'd love to further discuss the issue with you.

You might consider me biased and prejudiced, I understand that very
well. But, I have very firm opinions on matters and do see things my own
way. I have this right. I never ask anyone else to do anything but
please try to listen to me and do understand where I am coming from. I
follow a tradition of philosophy that is 1000's of years old. It is old
as recorded history. It takes from ancient Chinese, Hindu, Middle East,
Egyptian, Greek, Roman, European, Native and more recent American
psychological studies. I personally consider myself, on the other hand,
very open minded and extremely tolerant and oftentimes quite supportive
of others points of view, too; you know.

Thanks for the response to my E-mail to Joe about his wonderful plans.
I'm all behind him. Go Joe Go!

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 03:28:48 -0600 "Jennine C"
<Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org> writes:
Quote:

John,

I usually will not say things when there is a situation such as
this, but
the state of being my heart is currently in drives me to comment.
Your words
here, in your post to Joe Pink:
"What do have against divorce, for example? In some traditions, in
some
moral conventions we usually call 'Religion,' divorce is as natural
as
moving one's residence. Why would you consider
yourself an authority and one who's job it is to change the world
according
to the fashion of your own conception of the way things ought to
be?"
John, not to say that in any certain given circumstance it might not
be the
best thing for both parties AT THE TIME, but ideally , there should
be no
divorce. Whne is divorce EVER a truly "good" thing? Marriage , when
gone
into in an appropriate circumstance, is supposed to be a lifelong
committment. It is only when things go awry that divorces are sought
out.
So, if everything were "as it should always be", the love that
starts out a
marriage would always be there & divorce would be unecessary.
It is my belief that this may be what joe refers to in adding
divorce to his
list of negatives.
Love,
Jennine

Love prevails.
I have all I need. I have no complaints whatsoever.

_________________________________________________________________
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FREE!
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Dear Jennine, Joe etc., I don't know what started this thread, but I don't
think anyone thinks divorce is a wonderful thing or that the ideal would
ever be for marriages to dissolve.

And anyone who has been divorced can tell you that it is not a lark.

And yet sometimes it seems to be the only way out or the better of two
unhappy choices. Better divorce than murder or going insane and/or perhaps
resigning yourself to lifelong misery and hate.

But, in any case, to my mind, what a couple decides is their business, and
no one else's.

Only judgment says something is good and something is bad. Do we really know
what someone else should do? I would not want to take the responsibility for
others' lives on my shoulders.

With love and blessings,

Gloria

-----Original Message-----
From: Jennine C [mailto:Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:29 AM
To: Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org
Subject: [HeavenLetters Board Your own Creative Writing-Poetry] John on
Shahid's message Joe replied to

John,

I usually will not say things when there is a situation such as this, but
the state of being my heart is currently in drives me to comment. Your words

here, in your post to Joe Pink:
"What do have against divorce, for example? In some traditions, in some
moral conventions we usually call 'Religion,' divorce is as natural as
moving one's residence. Why would you consider
yourself an authority and one who's job it is to change the world according
to the fashion of your own conception of the way things ought to be?"
John, not to say that in any certain given circumstance it might not be the
best thing for both parties AT THE TIME, but ideally , there should be no
divorce. Whne is divorce EVER a truly "good" thing? Marriage , when gone
into in an appropriate circumstance, is supposed to be a lifelong
committment. It is only when things go awry that divorces are sought out.
So, if everything were "as it should always be", the love that starts out a
marriage would always be there & divorce would be unecessary.
It is my belief that this may be what joe refers to in adding divorce to his

list of negatives.
Love,
Jennine

Love prevails.
I have all I need. I have no complaints whatsoever.

_________________________________________________________________
Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE!
http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Dear Friends;

Of course I, too; like Gloria, feel divorce is only the last option. I
don't think it's a good thing, or that people should be cavalier about it
in the least. It is something that takes serious consideration. Very
Serious Deliberation.
Nevertheless what my point was is that it is my decision what to do with
my life, so long as I don't harm anyone. Who would disagree with that?
And another thing. I am very very happy in My Marriage. I could never
even consider looking for a wife better than mine. Jane is simply the
best. I was simply talking hypothetically, as I could not let that go by
in good conscience. I don't mean to be critical to Joe or anybody else,
and I'm sorry, very sorry if I sound hard or harsh or anything. Perhaps
if you had had to walk in my shoes during this life, you'd sympathize
with me. Who knows?

But, Joe. Please. You have a good idea. You have very very excellent
ideas.
The one about creating a better world has got to be the best. You know?
Just remember one thing though, please. Please Joe. You have to
remember it starts with you. The world is what we make it. Just like
everyone creates their own reality. No?

Thanks Folks.

John Steffan.

(I do welcome feedback, criticism included.)

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:13:17 -0600 "Gloria"
<Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org> writes:
Quote:

Dear Jennine, Joe etc., I don't know what started this thread, but I
don't
think anyone thinks divorce is a wonderful thing or that the ideal
would
ever be for marriages to dissolve.

And anyone who has been divorced can tell you that it is not a lark.

And yet sometimes it seems to be the only way out or the better of
two
unhappy choices. Better divorce than murder or going insane and/or
perhaps
resigning yourself to lifelong misery and hate.

But, in any case, to my mind, what a couple decides is their
business, and
no one else's.

Only judgment says something is good and something is bad. Do we
really know
what someone else should do? I would not want to take the
responsibility for
others' lives on my shoulders.

With love and blessings,

Gloria

-----Original Message-----
From: Jennine C [mailto:Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:29 AM
To: Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org
Subject: [HeavenLetters Board Your own Creative Writing-Poetry] John
on
Shahid's message Joe replied to

John,

I usually will not say things when there is a situation such as
this, but
the state of being my heart is currently in drives me to comment.
Your words

here, in your post to Joe Pink:
"What do have against divorce, for example? In some traditions, in
some
moral conventions we usually call 'Religion,' divorce is as natural
as
moving one's residence. Why would you consider
yourself an authority and one who's job it is to change the world
according
to the fashion of your own conception of the way things ought to
be?"
John, not to say that in any certain given circumstance it might not
be the
best thing for both parties AT THE TIME, but ideally , there should
be no
divorce. Whne is divorce EVER a truly "good" thing? Marriage , when
gone
into in an appropriate circumstance, is supposed to be a lifelong
committment. It is only when things go awry that divorces are sought
out.
So, if everything were "as it should always be", the love that
starts out a
marriage would always be there & divorce would be unecessary.
It is my belief that this may be what joe refers to in adding
divorce to his

list of negatives.
Love,
Jennine

Love prevails.
I have all I need. I have no complaints whatsoever.

_________________________________________________________________
Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's
FREE!
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John, I am very much with you in the desire to not be ruled. I don't like to
be told what to do!

Even when beautiful messages come to me and they say something like: if I
really care about my friends, I'll forward the message to them. I do not
need anyone to tell me to send a message on! I can figure that out for
myself. And I delete the message as soon as it tells me what to do!

Love and blessings,

Gloria

-----Original Message-----
From: john s riccio [mailto:Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:27 PM
To: Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org
Subject: [HeavenLetters Board Your own Creative Writing-Poetry] RE: John on
Shahid's message Joe replied to

Dear Friends;

Of course I, too; like Gloria, feel divorce is only the last option. I
don't think it's a good thing, or that people should be cavalier about it
in the least. It is something that takes serious consideration. Very
Serious Deliberation.
Nevertheless what my point was is that it is my decision what to do with
my life, so long as I don't harm anyone. Who would disagree with that?
And another thing. I am very very happy in My Marriage. I could never
even consider looking for a wife better than mine. Jane is simply the
best. I was simply talking hypothetically, as I could not let that go by
in good conscience. I don't mean to be critical to Joe or anybody else,
and I'm sorry, very sorry if I sound hard or harsh or anything. Perhaps
if you had had to walk in my shoes during this life, you'd sympathize
with me. Who knows?

But, Joe. Please. You have a good idea. You have very very excellent
ideas.
The one about creating a better world has got to be the best. You know?
Just remember one thing though, please. Please Joe. You have to
remember it starts with you. The world is what we make it. Just like
everyone creates their own reality. No?

Thanks Folks.

John Steffan.

(I do welcome feedback, criticism included.)

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:13:17 -0600 "Gloria"
<Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org> writes:
Quote:

Dear Jennine, Joe etc., I don't know what started this thread, but I
don't
think anyone thinks divorce is a wonderful thing or that the ideal
would
ever be for marriages to dissolve.

And anyone who has been divorced can tell you that it is not a lark.

And yet sometimes it seems to be the only way out or the better of
two
unhappy choices. Better divorce than murder or going insane and/or
perhaps
resigning yourself to lifelong misery and hate.

But, in any case, to my mind, what a couple decides is their
business, and
no one else's.

Only judgment says something is good and something is bad. Do we
really know
what someone else should do? I would not want to take the
responsibility for
others' lives on my shoulders.

With love and blessings,

Gloria

-----Original Message-----
From: Jennine C [mailto:Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:29 AM
To: Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org
Subject: [HeavenLetters Board Your own Creative Writing-Poetry] John
on
Shahid's message Joe replied to

John,

I usually will not say things when there is a situation such as
this, but
the state of being my heart is currently in drives me to comment.
Your words

here, in your post to Joe Pink:
"What do have against divorce, for example? In some traditions, in
some
moral conventions we usually call 'Religion,' divorce is as natural
as
moving one's residence. Why would you consider
yourself an authority and one who's job it is to change the world
according
to the fashion of your own conception of the way things ought to
be?"
John, not to say that in any certain given circumstance it might not
be the
best thing for both parties AT THE TIME, but ideally , there should
be no
divorce. Whne is divorce EVER a truly "good" thing? Marriage , when
gone
into in an appropriate circumstance, is supposed to be a lifelong
committment. It is only when things go awry that divorces are sought
out.
So, if everything were "as it should always be", the love that
starts out a
marriage would always be there & divorce would be unecessary.
It is my belief that this may be what joe refers to in adding
divorce to his

list of negatives.
Love,
Jennine

Love prevails.
I have all I need. I have no complaints whatsoever.

_________________________________________________________________
Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's
FREE!
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Hello Gloria, Jennine, John and all Heavenletters readers,

A few times now I've talked about taking someone elses Karma on. Like you
said Gloria, and I take the liberty to paraphrase, "I wouldn't want to take
another's Karma on." We can take another's Karma if we try changing them,
good point Gloria and John. We sure don't need more Karma added to our
own! Excuse me if I step on anyone's toe, but I'm sure a terrorist,
Hitler, and/or those who kill someone are taking on their bad Karma. -
Nope, I'm taking that back. Their act creates bad Karma for them. Guys,
this concept is all bran new to me, so only exploring this new land. I
hope for your feedback.

LPL,
Joe

At 03:27 PM 1/18/2006, you wrote:

Quote:

Dear Friends;

Of course I, too; like Gloria, feel divorce is only the last option. I
don't think it's a good thing, or that people should be cavalier about it
in the least. It is something that takes serious consideration. Very
Serious Deliberation.
Nevertheless what my point was is that it is my decision what to do with
my life, so long as I don't harm anyone. Who would disagree with that?
And another thing. I am very very happy in My Marriage. I could never
even consider looking for a wife better than mine. Jane is simply the
best. I was simply talking hypothetically, as I could not let that go by
in good conscience. I don't mean to be critical to Joe or anybody else,
and I'm sorry, very sorry if I sound hard or harsh or anything. Perhaps
if you had had to walk in my shoes during this life, you'd sympathize
with me. Who knows?

But, Joe. Please. You have a good idea. You have very very excellent
ideas.
The one about creating a better world has got to be the best. You know?
Just remember one thing though, please. Please Joe. You have to
remember it starts with you. The world is what we make it. Just like
everyone creates their own reality. No?

Thanks Folks.

John Steffan.

(I do welcome feedback, criticism included.)

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:13:17 -0600 "Gloria"
<Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org> writes:
>
>
> Dear Jennine, Joe etc., I don't know what started this thread, but I
> don't
> think anyone thinks divorce is a wonderful thing or that the ideal
> would
> ever be for marriages to dissolve.
>
> And anyone who has been divorced can tell you that it is not a lark.
>
>
> And yet sometimes it seems to be the only way out or the better of
> two
> unhappy choices. Better divorce than murder or going insane and/or
> perhaps
> resigning yourself to lifelong misery and hate.
>
> But, in any case, to my mind, what a couple decides is their
> business, and
> no one else's.
>
> Only judgment says something is good and something is bad. Do we
> really know
> what someone else should do? I would not want to take the
> responsibility for
> others' lives on my shoulders.
>
> With love and blessings,
>
> Gloria
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jennine C [mailto:Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:29 AM
> To: Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org
> Subject: [HeavenLetters Board Your own Creative Writing-Poetry] John
> on
> Shahid's message Joe replied to
>
>
> John,
>
> I usually will not say things when there is a situation such as
> this, but
> the state of being my heart is currently in drives me to comment.
> Your words
>
> here, in your post to Joe Pink:
> "What do have against divorce, for example? In some traditions, in
> some
> moral conventions we usually call 'Religion,' divorce is as natural
> as
> moving one's residence. Why would you consider
> yourself an authority and one who's job it is to change the world
> according
> to the fashion of your own conception of the way things ought to
> be?"
> John, not to say that in any certain given circumstance it might not
> be the
> best thing for both parties AT THE TIME, but ideally , there should
> be no
> divorce. Whne is divorce EVER a truly "good" thing? Marriage , when
> gone
> into in an appropriate circumstance, is supposed to be a lifelong
> committment. It is only when things go awry that divorces are sought
> out.
> So, if everything were "as it should always be", the love that
> starts out a
> marriage would always be there & divorce would be unecessary.
> It is my belief that this may be what joe refers to in adding
> divorce to his
>
> list of negatives.
> Love,
> Jennine
>
>
> Love prevails.
> I have all I need. I have no complaints whatsoever.
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's
> FREE!
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Quote:

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Karma is a SANSKRIT word meaning "action." The Vedas, of which there are
four known, were written in SANSKRIT, maybe 10,000 years ago. I studied
Sanskrit at Columbia University in NY City in 1981. I did not get too
far into it.
Karma is The Iron Clad Law of Sowing an Reaping. You plant a wheat seed,
you surely will get nothing else but wheat.
In this day an age people think karma is a bad thing. I might say Bad
Kama is bad, but it may depend on your own situation. Who is to say what
is bad for one is bad for another? I think we get what we need when on a
spiritual path. It comes. Jesus says this when He states, "God knows
what you need even before you ask Him." It's funny. People, it seems to
me, always ask God for this and that. Do this, do that. For me. For my
friend, son, mother, wife, brother, etc. Give me money. Give me
strength. Give me love and happiness. I don't know about that. Rather
than treating God as our servant who is here to give us babies everything
we cry our for, why don't we ask him in prayer and meditation what He
wants from us?
Then, how will you possibly create any more Karma?

John Stefan Riccio

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:17:00 -0600 Joe Tolve
<Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org> writes:
Quote:

Hello Gloria, Jennine, John and all Heavenletters readers,

A few times now I've talked about taking someone elses Karma on.
Like you
said Gloria, and I take the liberty to paraphrase, "I wouldn't want
to take
another's Karma on." We can take another's Karma if we try changing
them,
good point Gloria and John. We sure don't need more Karma added to
our
own! Excuse me if I step on anyone's toe, but I'm sure a terrorist,

Hitler, and/or those who kill someone are taking on their bad Karma.
-
Nope, I'm taking that back. Their act creates bad Karma for them.
Guys,
this concept is all bran new to me, so only exploring this new land.
I
hope for your feedback.

LPL,
Joe

At 03:27 PM 1/18/2006, you wrote:

>Dear Friends;
>
>Of course I, too; like Gloria, feel divorce is only the last
option. I
>don't think it's a good thing, or that people should be cavalier
about it
>in the least. It is something that takes serious consideration.
Very
>Serious Deliberation.
>Nevertheless what my point was is that it is my decision what to do
with
>my life, so long as I don't harm anyone. Who would disagree with
that?
>And another thing. I am very very happy in My Marriage. I could
never
>even consider looking for a wife better than mine. Jane is simply
the
>best. I was simply talking hypothetically, as I could not let that
go by
>in good conscience. I don't mean to be critical to Joe or anybody
else,
>and I'm sorry, very sorry if I sound hard or harsh or anything.
Perhaps
>if you had had to walk in my shoes during this life, you'd
sympathize
>with me. Who knows?
>
>But, Joe. Please. You have a good idea. You have very very
excellent
>ideas.
>The one about creating a better world has got to be the best. You
know?
>Just remember one thing though, please. Please Joe. You have to
>remember it starts with you. The world is what we make it. Just
like
>everyone creates their own reality. No?
>
>Thanks Folks.
>
>John Steffan.
>
>(I do welcome feedback, criticism included.)
>
>
>
>On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:13:17 -0600 "Gloria"
><Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org> writes:
> >
> >
> > Dear Jennine, Joe etc., I don't know what started this thread,
but I
> > don't
> > think anyone thinks divorce is a wonderful thing or that the
ideal
> > would
> > ever be for marriages to dissolve.
> >
> > And anyone who has been divorced can tell you that it is not a
lark.
> >
> >
> > And yet sometimes it seems to be the only way out or the better
of
> > two
> > unhappy choices. Better divorce than murder or going insane
and/or
> > perhaps
> > resigning yourself to lifelong misery and hate.
> >
> > But, in any case, to my mind, what a couple decides is their
> > business, and
> > no one else's.
> >
> > Only judgment says something is good and something is bad. Do
we
> > really know
> > what someone else should do? I would not want to take the
> > responsibility for
> > others' lives on my shoulders.
> >
> > With love and blessings,
> >
> > Gloria
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jennine C [mailto:Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:29 AM
> > To: Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org
> > Subject: [HeavenLetters Board Your own Creative Writing-Poetry]
John
> > on
> > Shahid's message Joe replied to
> >
> >
> > John,
> >
> > I usually will not say things when there is a situation such as
> > this, but
> > the state of being my heart is currently in drives me to
comment.
> > Your words
> >
> > here, in your post to Joe Pink:
> > "What do have against divorce, for example? In some traditions,
in
> > some
> > moral conventions we usually call 'Religion,' divorce is as
natural
> > as
> > moving one's residence. Why would you consider
> > yourself an authority and one who's job it is to change the
world
> > according
> > to the fashion of your own conception of the way things ought
to
> > be?"
> > John, not to say that in any certain given circumstance it might
not
> > be the
> > best thing for both parties AT THE TIME, but ideally , there
should
> > be no
> > divorce. Whne is divorce EVER a truly "good" thing? Marriage ,
when
> > gone
> > into in an appropriate circumstance, is supposed to be a
lifelong
> > committment. It is only when things go awry that divorces are
sought
> > out.
> > So, if everything were "as it should always be", the love that
> > starts out a
> > marriage would always be there & divorce would be unecessary.
> > It is my belief that this may be what joe refers to in adding
> > divorce to his
> >
> > list of negatives.
> > Love,
> > Jennine
> >
> >
> > Love prevails.
> > I have all I need. I have no complaints whatsoever.
> >
> >
_________________________________________________________________
> > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today -
it's
> > FREE!
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>
>
>

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Hey Joe,

I like to see karma, as action, as a reflection of the
laws of the physical world where every action
engenders an equal and opposite reaction. Moral codes
in all religions seem to be designed to regulate
action towards "right action" so that good re-action
comes back to us. Grace. Following God's directive
towards Love and loving action, as so powerfully
expressed in Heavenletters, we then find ourselves the
recipient of Love as it returns to us.

Love Ya'll, Dudes,
Robert

--- john s riccio <Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org>
wrote:

Quote:

Karma is a SANSKRIT word meaning "action." The
Vedas, of which there are
four known, were written in SANSKRIT, maybe 10,000
years ago. I studied
Sanskrit at Columbia University in NY City in 1981.
I did not get too
far into it.
Karma is The Iron Clad Law of Sowing an Reaping.
You plant a wheat seed,
you surely will get nothing else but wheat.
In this day an age people think karma is a bad
thing. I might say Bad
Kama is bad, but it may depend on your own
situation. Who is to say what
is bad for one is bad for another? I think we get
what we need when on a
spiritual path. It comes. Jesus says this when He
states, "God knows
what you need even before you ask Him." It's funny.
People, it seems to
me, always ask God for this and that. Do this, do
that. For me. For my
friend, son, mother, wife, brother, etc. Give me
money. Give me
strength. Give me love and happiness. I don't know
about that. Rather
than treating God as our servant who is here to give
us babies everything
we cry our for, why don't we ask him in prayer and
meditation what He
wants from us?
Then, how will you possibly create any more Karma?

John Stefan Riccio

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:17:00 -0600 Joe Tolve
<Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org> writes:
>
> Hello Gloria, Jennine, John and all Heavenletters
readers,
>
> A few times now I've talked about taking someone
elses Karma on.
> Like you
> said Gloria, and I take the liberty to paraphrase,
"I wouldn't want
> to take
> another's Karma on." We can take another's Karma
if we try changing
> them,
> good point Gloria and John. We sure don't need
more Karma added to
> our
> own! Excuse me if I step on anyone's toe, but I'm
sure a terrorist,
>
> Hitler, and/or those who kill someone are taking
on their bad Karma.
> -
> Nope, I'm taking that back. Their act creates bad
Karma for them.
> Guys,
> this concept is all bran new to me, so only
exploring this new land.
> I
> hope for your feedback.
>
> LPL,
> Joe
>
>
> At 03:27 PM 1/18/2006, you wrote:
>
> >Dear Friends;
> >
> >Of course I, too; like Gloria, feel divorce is
only the last
> option. I
> >don't think it's a good thing, or that people
should be cavalier
> about it
> >in the least. It is something that takes serious
consideration.
> Very
> >Serious Deliberation.
> >Nevertheless what my point was is that it is my
decision what to do
> with
> >my life, so long as I don't harm anyone. Who
would disagree with
> that?
> >And another thing. I am very very happy in My
Marriage. I could
> never
> >even consider looking for a wife better than
mine. Jane is simply
> the
> >best. I was simply talking hypothetically, as I
could not let that
> go by
> >in good conscience. I don't mean to be critical
to Joe or anybody
> else,
> >and I'm sorry, very sorry if I sound hard or
harsh or anything.
> Perhaps
> >if you had had to walk in my shoes during this
life, you'd
> sympathize
> >with me. Who knows?
> >
> >But, Joe. Please. You have a good idea. You
have very very
> excellent
> >ideas.
> >The one about creating a better world has got to
be the best. You
> know?
> >Just remember one thing though, please. Please
Joe. You have to
> >remember it starts with you. The world is what
we make it. Just
> like
> >everyone creates their own reality. No?
> >
> >Thanks Folks.
> >
> >John Steffan.
> >
> >(I do welcome feedback, criticism included.)
> >
> >
> >
> >On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:13:17 -0600 "Gloria"
> ><Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org> writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Jennine, Joe etc., I don't know what
started this thread,
> but I
> > > don't
> > > think anyone thinks divorce is a wonderful
thing or that the
> ideal
> > > would
> > > ever be for marriages to dissolve.
> > >
> > > And anyone who has been divorced can tell you
that it is not a
> lark.
> > >
> > >
> > > And yet sometimes it seems to be the only way
out or the better
> of
> > > two
> > > unhappy choices. Better divorce than murder or
going insane
> and/or
> > > perhaps
> > > resigning yourself to lifelong misery and
hate.
> > >
> > > But, in any case, to my mind, what a couple
decides is their
> > > business, and
> > > no one else's.
> > >
> > > Only judgment says something is good and
something is bad. Do
> we
> > > really know
> > > what someone else should do? I would not want
to take the
> > > responsibility for
> > > others' lives on my shoulders.
> > >
> > > With love and blessings,
> > >
> > > Gloria
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jennine C
[mailto:Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:29 AM
> > > To: Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org
> > > Subject: [HeavenLetters Board Your own
Creative Writing-Poetry]
> John
> > > on
> > > Shahid's message Joe replied to

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This is beautiful, John, to ask God what He wants.
 
Many thanks,
 
Gloria
 
-----Original Message-----
From: john s riccio [mailto:Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org]
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:21 PM
To: Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org
Subject: [HeavenLetters Board Your own Creative Writing-Poetry] RE: John on Shahid's message Joe replied to
 
 
Karma is a SANSKRIT word meaning "action."  The Vedas, of which there are
four known, were written in SANSKRIT, maybe 10,000 years ago.  I studied
Sanskrit at Columbia University in NY City in 1981.  I did not get too
far into it.
Karma is The Iron Clad Law of Sowing an Reaping.  You plant a wheat seed,
you surely will get nothing else but wheat.
In this day an age people think karma is a bad thing.  I might say Bad
Kama is bad, but it may depend on your own situation.  Who is to say what
is bad for one is bad for another?  I think we get what we need when on a
spiritual path.  It comes.  Jesus says this when He states, "God knows
what you need even before you ask Him."  It's funny.  People, it seems to
me, always ask God for this and that.  Do this, do that. For me. For my
friend, son, mother, wife, brother, etc.  Give me money.  Give me
strength.  Give me love and happiness.  I don't know about that.  Rather
than treating God as our servant who is here to give us babies everything
we cry our for, why don't we ask him in prayer and meditation what He
wants from us?
Then, how will you possibly create any more Karma?
 
John Stefan Riccio
 
 
 
 
 
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:17:00 -0600 Joe Tolve
<Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org> writes:
Quote:

Hello Gloria, Jennine, John and all Heavenletters readers,

A few times now I've talked about taking someone elses Karma on. 
Like you
said Gloria, and I take the liberty to paraphrase, "I wouldn't want
to take
another's Karma on."  We can take another's Karma if we try changing
them,
good point Gloria and John.   We sure don't need more Karma added to
our
own!  Excuse me if I step on anyone's toe, but I'm sure a terrorist,

Hitler, and/or those who kill someone are taking on their bad Karma.
  -
Nope, I'm taking that back.  Their act creates bad Karma for them. 
Guys,
this concept is all bran new to me, so only exploring this new land.
  I
hope for your feedback.

LPL,
Joe

        At 03:27 PM 1/18/2006, you wrote:

>Dear Friends;
>
>Of course I, too; like Gloria, feel divorce is only the last
option.  I
>don't think it's a good thing, or that people should be cavalier
about it
>in the least.  It is something that takes serious consideration.
Very
>Serious Deliberation.
>Nevertheless what my point was is that it is my decision what to do
with
>my life, so long as I don't harm anyone.  Who would disagree with
that?
>And another thing.  I am very very happy in My Marriage.  I could
never
>even consider looking for a wife better than mine.  Jane is simply
the
>best.  I was simply talking hypothetically, as I could not let that
go by
>in good conscience.  I don't mean to be critical to Joe or anybody
else,
>and I'm sorry, very sorry if I sound hard or harsh or anything. 
Perhaps
>if you had had to walk in my shoes during this life, you'd 
sympathize
>with me.  Who knows?
>
>But, Joe.  Please.  You have a good idea.  You have very very
excellent
>ideas.
>The one about creating a better world has got to be the best.  You
know?
>Just remember one thing though, please.  Please Joe.  You have to
>remember it starts with you.  The world is what we make it.  Just
like
>everyone creates their own reality. No?
>
>Thanks Folks.
>
>John Steffan.
>
>(I do welcome feedback, criticism included.)
>
>
>
>On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:13:17 -0600 "Gloria"
><Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org> writes:
> >
> >
> > Dear Jennine, Joe etc., I don't know what started this thread,
but I
> > don't
> > think anyone thinks divorce is a wonderful thing or that the
ideal
> > would
> > ever be for marriages to dissolve.
> >
> > And anyone who has been divorced can tell you that it is not a
lark.
> >
> >
> > And yet sometimes it seems to be the only way out or the better
of
> > two
> > unhappy choices. Better divorce than murder or going insane
and/or
> > perhaps
> > resigning yourself to lifelong misery and hate.
> >
> > But, in any case, to my mind, what a couple decides is their
> > business, and
> > no one else's.
> >
> > Only judgment says something is good and something is bad. Do
we
> > really know
> > what someone else should do? I would not want to take the
> > responsibility for
> > others' lives on my shoulders.
> >
> > With love and blessings,
> >
> > Gloria
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jennine C [mailto:Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:29 AM
> > To: Creative_Writing [at] heavenletters [dot] org
> > Subject: [HeavenLetters Board Your own Creative Writing-Poetry]
John
> > on
> > Shahid's message Joe replied to
> >
> >
> > John,
> >
> > I usually will not say things when there is a situation such as
> > this, but
> > the state of being my heart is currently in drives me to
comment.
> > Your words
> >
> > here, in your post to Joe Pink:
> > "What do have against divorce, for example? In some traditions,
in
> > some
> > moral conventions we usually call 'Religion,' divorce is as
natural
> > as
> > moving one's residence. Why would you consider
> > yourself an authority and one who's job it is to change the
world
> > according
> > to the fashion of your own conception of the way things ought
to
> > be?"
> > John, not to say that in any certain given circumstance it might
not
> > be the
> > best thing for both parties AT THE TIME, but ideally , there
should
> > be no
> > divorce. Whne is divorce EVER a truly "good" thing? Marriage ,
when
> > gone
> > into in an appropriate circumstance, is supposed to be a
lifelong
> > committment. It is only when things go awry that divorces are
sought
> > out.
> > So, if everything were "as it should always be", the love that
> > starts out a
> > marriage would always be there & divorce would be unecessary.
> > It is my belief that this may be what joe refers to in adding
> > divorce to his
> >
> > list of negatives.
> > Love,
> > Jennine
> >
> >
> > Love prevails.
> > I have all I need. I have no complaints whatsoever.
> >
> >
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At 01:21 PM 1/19/2006, you wrote:

Quote:

Karma is a SANSKRIT word meaning "action." The Vedas, of which there are
four known, were written in SANSKRIT, maybe 10,000 years ago. I studied
Thanks John,

Your feedback is so vital. I am not sure of the last line(s). This human
conscious mind still isn't up to hearing, let alone doing what God would
have me do! Although I've heard this message from Gloria, Shahid, you and
a few others, its reality isn't drowning out my old conditioning. I am
working on it, but it sincerely isn't proving to be all that easy! For one
thing, I read something online, in a book, from priests/teachers/parents,
and I believe.

Thank you collectively for your patients and assistance!

LPL,
Joe

Quote:

Sanskrit at Columbia University in NY City in 1981. I did not get too
far into it.
Karma is The Iron Clad Law of Sowing an Reaping. You plant a wheat seed,
you surely will get nothing else but wheat.
In this day an age people think karma is a bad thing. I might say Bad
Kama is bad, but it may depend on your own situation. Who is to say what
is bad for one is bad for another? I think we get what we need when on a
spiritual path. It comes. Jesus says this when He states, "God knows
what you need even before you ask Him." It's funny. People, it seems to
me, always ask God for this and that. Do this, do that. For me. For my
friend, son, mother, wife, brother, etc. Give me money. Give me
strength. Give me love and happiness. I don't know about that. Rather
than treating God as our servant who is here to give us babies everything
we cry our for, why don't we ask him in prayer and meditation what He
wants from us?
Then, how will you possibly create any more Karma?

John Stefan Riccio